Electric Formula one - Pagina 3

mrblobby · 30 november 2009, 09:42

Erg leuke kistjes! Lijkt me ook best leuk om eens te gaan racen in de lucht. Mag ik deze klasse dan vergelijken met de stock klassen bij elektro modelauto's? Die klassen zijn bedoeld voor de beginnende racer waarbij de nadruk ligt op racen en niet op investeren in het beste spul. Wat daar goed blijkt te werken is het afspreken van een goedgekeurde standaardmotor. Kies 1 motor/prop combinatie uit en spreek een type accu af. (aantal cellen en max C rating en capaciteit) beter nog, kies ook een standaard accu. Daarmee beperk je de investering en voorkom je ook dat mensen een andere setup in hun kist gaan leggen als die van de buurman nét iets harder gaat dan die van jou.
Ieder seizoen kun je opnieuw bekijken of de setup nog actueel is, dus goed verkrijgbaar en deze evt aanpassen. Max eens per jaar (of eens per 2-3jaar) een andere motor mag geen probleem zijn als deze een paar tientjes kost.

robbert · 1 december 2009, 22:37

Thread Slideshow

wubbo · 1 december 2009, 23:47

MrBlobby, iets van die strekking zal het wel gaan worden, het doel is inderdaad om het niet te duur te maken.

robbert · 22 maart 2010, 15:30

De eerste twee kits zijn onderweg naar Nederland

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1178471

NMPRA Electric Formula One Racing is Here!
All speed addicts and potential pylon racers,

I started this thread to spread the news about a new class of pylon racing that NMPRA is developing. For those that may not know, NMPRA is the SIG group that is responsible for Quarter 40 and Q500 pylon racing in the USA. The new NMPRA #427 class is based on scale formula 1 racers that utilize electric power. I wanted to get the word out and show some pictures of what’s happened so far. I’m pretty busy but hope others involved in this venture including Danny Kane and Travis Flynn will step in and share their experiences and photos in this thread.

The Idea – An Inexpensive Electric Formula 1 Class

Sometime last year the National Miniature Pylon Racing’s President Scott MacAfee started discussions with a few members about creating a new class for electric pylon racing in the USA. As we know, gas pylon racing can be a rarified sport like the current F5D class for international electric pylon racing competition. Because of a lack of flying fields for these speed demons and the difficulty of getting new racers into the fold, it was felt that something needed to be done. With the obvious success of the ad hoc club .40 and .25 racing at local and regional venues, and the burgeoning group of electric speed addicts like those on the High Performance Ezone thread, it was felt the time was right to add an electric scale racing class that was inexpensive with readily available ARF’s and electric power systems that would appeal to racers at the local and grass roots level. The planes would be designed so they can be sport flown or raced at most of the local club fields on any Sunday afternoon, just like the old Formula One class started out in the 60’s. Deja Vu! In summary, the purpose of this newly defined “Electric Formula One” class would be to help bring new pilots into pylon racing and help grow the sport.

Initially Scott and Jerry Small a prolific Q40 airplane designer started the ad hoc discussions. Soon, George Parks and I along with others were drawn into the discussion with Jerry because of our current experiences with Q40 and F5D.

The Airplane Design

One of the main weaknesses of Quarter 40 scale pylon racing is the fact that there is up to a year wait to acquire a racer from a select few builders that supply the sport. The airplanes utilize molded composite construction which is above the ability and commitment of the average builder. The goal NMPRA set was to work with the manufacturers to make readily available ARF’s and all the equipment needed to compete available at the local hobby shop. This required a ground up approach to the airplane design that could be easily reproducible by the ARF manufacturers.

The airplane design was targeted at the 110 -120 mph range. The planes are based on scale Formula 1 racers with 375 sq. inches of wing area. This is a sweet spot on airplane size and power requirements. The airplanes are large enough to appeal to most while the power requirement for the speed range targeted is extremely modest and inexpensive. They are very scale looking, have a landing gear, and are well behaved and easy to take off or land. The airfoils used are similar to the current Q40 planes that have good stall characteristics needed for stable pylon turning ability. Most sport ARF’s have airfoils that are designed for aerobatics and easily perform such maneuvers as fast snap rolls, not a good thing in pylon racing.

As it turned out, the planes are a lot of fun to sport fly and are capable of 1000 foot loops. They are capable of faster speeds with a simple motor and battery upgrade, but the initial class is specifically designed to be very easy to fly and not require super human flying skills. Speed and structural limits have not been tested yet, but the prototypes are fairly sturdy and could easily surpass the 135-140 mph range with moderate power adjustments. I certainly can see an advanced class with a simple motor and battery swap.

The Motors and Props

Inexpensive out runners are readily available at most hobby shops and have the torque and power requirements to turn the larger props such as an APC 8x6 which is a perfect fit for the speed range targeted. There is a possibility that the motor may become a spec. item, but the motor rules are really in flux at this point. What’s easily enforceable for National Level Racing may be different than for local club racing and this certainly could be a factor in the motor rules.

The first motors used were the Turnigy 35/42, (35mm dia. X 42 mm length) 1250KV out runner motors. However, Eflite has been working with the group and has developed a prototype out runner that is a 35/50, ~ 1200kv motor for testing. I believe this motor is a little low on the KV for us because it required an 8/8 APC prop and is not up to speed yet. George Parks has just started testing a Steve Neu inn runner as well.

The Batteries

We are currently using inexpensive 4 cell Turnigy 2650 20 and 30C lipos. That combination is right at the Lipos weight limit in the rules. Certainly other battery / KV combinations are useable, although 3 cells is probably less desirable because of the increased controller amperage requirements. I am using a Castle 100 lite controller which may be a little overkill, but others are using inexpensive ESC’s that work fine. The batteries just get warm with this combination, and one pack can be used all day.

The Prototypes

There are about 12 airplanes that have been built and flown by a number of die hard racers. There are about 9 more designs others are working on that are in various stages. Jerry Small in Grapevine, Texas is a prolific airplane designer for Quarter 40, and has produced a stable of winning airplanes for that event throughout the years. Scott and Jerry are really the fathers of Electric F1 because they have graciously dedicated a majority of their time making this happen. Jerry has been working almost full time designing, prototyping, test flying and working with Horizon and others about jump starting this event. He is very serious about seeing this class become a reality.

The following electric F1’s are currently flying:

Pete Bergstrum (Horizon Hobby) - LR1A, New Horizon Prototype
Scott MacAfee (NMPRA president - LR1A
Jerry Small - LR1A, De Knight Special, Miss Outrageous
George Parks - LR1A, Lil Toni
John Jennings - Lil Toni
Archie Adamisin - LR1A
Travis Flynn - Lil Toni
Jim Allen - Midget Mustang

The following electric F1’s are under construction:

Jerry Small - Miss Outrageous
Dan Kane - Miss San Bernardino
Arch Adamisin - Thunder Chicken, Proud Bird
Archie Adamisin - Sweet Pea, Rivets, Endeavor
Mark Scarborough - Thunder Chicken
Kevin Matney - Miss Lynn

The Public Debut

Jerry along with a host of others have one of these airplanes or has flown one of the prototypes. You may recognize some of these names as they are pillars of the pylon scene in the USA and some including Danny Kan and Travis Flynn who have been on the F5D electric scene on the TEAM USA for years.

Jerry, Pete and Archie took their prototypes to the 2009 - Q40 NMPRA (AMA) Nationals at Muncie and the response was unanimous: everyone loves them. Even some of the diehard gas racers that only live for 200+ mph love them. The list of hard core gas racers that flew them included some of the most well known names in the pylon world. They included Fred Burghoff (Owner-APC), Jim Allen, Archie Adamisin, Mike Helsel, Dub Jett(Jett Motors-Owner), Pete Bergstrum (Horizon), Jerry Small and Gary Freeman Jr. The response was incredible. Jerry thought that most of the hard core racers would laugh at the concept or planes, but the only question was immediately, “Where can I get one of these, I want one now! They are fun to fly!”

Pylon Party at Hearne

Last week at our local test session by the pylon gang in Texas at the Hearne municipal airport, (formerly an Air Force auxiliary field) we had 3 of these planes at the session that was mixed with Q40's, Q500’s and my F5D. Dub Jett and Mike Helsel always have radar setup during these sessions because they do a lot of Q40 testing. We actually had a race between George Parks, Mike Helsel and me that was a blast. Unfortunately Mike and I had a mid air after takeoff and his plane hit hard on the concrete runway with amazingly little damage. (I guess we should have staggered the takeoff, but there was too much daring going on.) My Little Toni had its vacuum formed turtle deck knocked off, but kept flying until the end of the race against George. I simply re-taped the turtle deck back on.

The Future

NMPRA is working with Horizon and the first airplane an LR1A is slated to be released as an ARF sometime in early Q2-2010. Pete Bergstrum from Horizon has already been test flying the production prototype. I believe the target price is around $140. And feel free to build your own. Bear in mind that the rules are only a first cut, but fairly firmed up and there has not been any official races yet. All of us would like to see an Electric F1 event happen in 2010.

If you have any submissions for new designs that you would like to submit for NMPRA class approval, you can contact Jerry Small at:

jerry@jerrysmallcreations.com

as he is serving as the class airplane design approval committee. And as usual, I expect there will be a lot of discussion about Electric Formula One in the forums here on Ezone.

The Rules

These rules are posted on the NMPRA.ORG site by the Scott McAfee, the NMPRA President. They are posted in the “NMPRA Discussion” forums at: http://www.nmpra.org/ .

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mrblobby · 22 maart 2010, 20:07

Ik ben benieuwd, welke kits zijn er besteld? Zijn het echte bouwkits of ARF's?

robbert · 22 maart 2010, 21:29

Miss Outrageous. Het is een kit. Ik hoop ze vliegend te hebben op 25 April in Wijchen. Dit is de Carbon slipper uitvoering

Horizon komt een dezer dagen met de Pogo LR1A hij stond al in Neurenberg

laurens · 22 maart 2010, 22:39

Dat is een nemesis neem ik aan?

robbert · 22 maart 2010, 23:09

Nee dat is een andere. Google maar op de naam met F1

robbert · 23 maart 2010, 10:19

Horizon Hobby

Pogo bij Horizon

robbert · 24 maart 2010, 15:43

25 Maart ,morgen dus, komen de pogo's bij Horizon op de site.

25 April de eerste demo's in Wijchen.

wubbo · 24 maart 2010, 18:00

Demo's (meervoud) wie nog meer dan?

'k ben wel benieuwd ziet er heel mooi uit.

gr Wubbo

robbert · 24 maart 2010, 19:17

robbert · 25 maart 2010, 10:32

Horizon Hobby: LR-1A Pogo ARF 15e by E-flite (EFL4200)

mrblobby · 25 maart 2010, 18:56

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door robbert

Miss Outrageous. Het is een kit. Ik hoop ze vliegend te hebben op 25 April in Wijchen. Dit is de Carbon slipper uitvoering

Gaaf ding hoor. Waar heb je hem besteld?

robbert · 26 maart 2010, 12:06

Ik heb er twee besteld in de USA bij Jerry Small uit een kleine prototype serie. De Pogo's van Horizon die staan nu op de site en zijn bestelbaar.
Ook daarvan heb ik er een aantal besteld.

Robbert

1 december 2009, 23:47	#33 (permalink)
wubbo Lid sinds: 4 september 2006 Locatie: Voorhout Leeftijd: 55 Berichten: 912	MrBlobby, iets van die strekking zal het wel gaan worden, het doel is inderdaad om het niet te duur te maken. __________________ Zie www.F3D.nl voor alles over Pylonracen, E2K Quickie, Club20, F3D en meer..... There is no substitute for RPM.

22 maart 2010, 15:30	#34 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	De eerste twee kits zijn onderweg naar Nederland http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1178471 NMPRA Electric Formula One Racing is Here! All speed addicts and potential pylon racers, I started this thread to spread the news about a new class of pylon racing that NMPRA is developing. For those that may not know, NMPRA is the SIG group that is responsible for Quarter 40 and Q500 pylon racing in the USA. The new NMPRA #427 class is based on scale formula 1 racers that utilize electric power. I wanted to get the word out and show some pictures of what’s happened so far. I’m pretty busy but hope others involved in this venture including Danny Kane and Travis Flynn will step in and share their experiences and photos in this thread. The Idea – An Inexpensive Electric Formula 1 Class Sometime last year the National Miniature Pylon Racing’s President Scott MacAfee started discussions with a few members about creating a new class for electric pylon racing in the USA. As we know, gas pylon racing can be a rarified sport like the current F5D class for international electric pylon racing competition. Because of a lack of flying fields for these speed demons and the difficulty of getting new racers into the fold, it was felt that something needed to be done. With the obvious success of the ad hoc club .40 and .25 racing at local and regional venues, and the burgeoning group of electric speed addicts like those on the High Performance Ezone thread, it was felt the time was right to add an electric scale racing class that was inexpensive with readily available ARF’s and electric power systems that would appeal to racers at the local and grass roots level. The planes would be designed so they can be sport flown or raced at most of the local club fields on any Sunday afternoon, just like the old Formula One class started out in the 60’s. Deja Vu! In summary, the purpose of this newly defined “Electric Formula One” class would be to help bring new pilots into pylon racing and help grow the sport. Initially Scott and Jerry Small a prolific Q40 airplane designer started the ad hoc discussions. Soon, George Parks and I along with others were drawn into the discussion with Jerry because of our current experiences with Q40 and F5D. The Airplane Design One of the main weaknesses of Quarter 40 scale pylon racing is the fact that there is up to a year wait to acquire a racer from a select few builders that supply the sport. The airplanes utilize molded composite construction which is above the ability and commitment of the average builder. The goal NMPRA set was to work with the manufacturers to make readily available ARF’s and all the equipment needed to compete available at the local hobby shop. This required a ground up approach to the airplane design that could be easily reproducible by the ARF manufacturers. The airplane design was targeted at the 110 -120 mph range. The planes are based on scale Formula 1 racers with 375 sq. inches of wing area. This is a sweet spot on airplane size and power requirements. The airplanes are large enough to appeal to most while the power requirement for the speed range targeted is extremely modest and inexpensive. They are very scale looking, have a landing gear, and are well behaved and easy to take off or land. The airfoils used are similar to the current Q40 planes that have good stall characteristics needed for stable pylon turning ability. Most sport ARF’s have airfoils that are designed for aerobatics and easily perform such maneuvers as fast snap rolls, not a good thing in pylon racing. As it turned out, the planes are a lot of fun to sport fly and are capable of 1000 foot loops. They are capable of faster speeds with a simple motor and battery upgrade, but the initial class is specifically designed to be very easy to fly and not require super human flying skills. Speed and structural limits have not been tested yet, but the prototypes are fairly sturdy and could easily surpass the 135-140 mph range with moderate power adjustments. I certainly can see an advanced class with a simple motor and battery swap. The Motors and Props Inexpensive out runners are readily available at most hobby shops and have the torque and power requirements to turn the larger props such as an APC 8x6 which is a perfect fit for the speed range targeted. There is a possibility that the motor may become a spec. item, but the motor rules are really in flux at this point. What’s easily enforceable for National Level Racing may be different than for local club racing and this certainly could be a factor in the motor rules. The first motors used were the Turnigy 35/42, (35mm dia. X 42 mm length) 1250KV out runner motors. However, Eflite has been working with the group and has developed a prototype out runner that is a 35/50, ~ 1200kv motor for testing. I believe this motor is a little low on the KV for us because it required an 8/8 APC prop and is not up to speed yet. George Parks has just started testing a Steve Neu inn runner as well. The Batteries We are currently using inexpensive 4 cell Turnigy 2650 20 and 30C lipos. That combination is right at the Lipos weight limit in the rules. Certainly other battery / KV combinations are useable, although 3 cells is probably less desirable because of the increased controller amperage requirements. I am using a Castle 100 lite controller which may be a little overkill, but others are using inexpensive ESC’s that work fine. The batteries just get warm with this combination, and one pack can be used all day. The Prototypes There are about 12 airplanes that have been built and flown by a number of die hard racers. There are about 9 more designs others are working on that are in various stages. Jerry Small in Grapevine, Texas is a prolific airplane designer for Quarter 40, and has produced a stable of winning airplanes for that event throughout the years. Scott and Jerry are really the fathers of Electric F1 because they have graciously dedicated a majority of their time making this happen. Jerry has been working almost full time designing, prototyping, test flying and working with Horizon and others about jump starting this event. He is very serious about seeing this class become a reality. The following electric F1’s are currently flying: Pete Bergstrum (Horizon Hobby) - LR1A, New Horizon Prototype Scott MacAfee (NMPRA president - LR1A Jerry Small - LR1A, De Knight Special, Miss Outrageous George Parks - LR1A, Lil Toni John Jennings - Lil Toni Archie Adamisin - LR1A Travis Flynn - Lil Toni Jim Allen - Midget Mustang The following electric F1’s are under construction: Jerry Small - Miss Outrageous Dan Kane - Miss San Bernardino Arch Adamisin - Thunder Chicken, Proud Bird Archie Adamisin - Sweet Pea, Rivets, Endeavor Mark Scarborough - Thunder Chicken Kevin Matney - Miss Lynn The Public Debut Jerry along with a host of others have one of these airplanes or has flown one of the prototypes. You may recognize some of these names as they are pillars of the pylon scene in the USA and some including Danny Kan and Travis Flynn who have been on the F5D electric scene on the TEAM USA for years. Jerry, Pete and Archie took their prototypes to the 2009 - Q40 NMPRA (AMA) Nationals at Muncie and the response was unanimous: everyone loves them. Even some of the diehard gas racers that only live for 200+ mph love them. The list of hard core gas racers that flew them included some of the most well known names in the pylon world. They included Fred Burghoff (Owner-APC), Jim Allen, Archie Adamisin, Mike Helsel, Dub Jett(Jett Motors-Owner), Pete Bergstrum (Horizon), Jerry Small and Gary Freeman Jr. The response was incredible. Jerry thought that most of the hard core racers would laugh at the concept or planes, but the only question was immediately, “Where can I get one of these, I want one now! They are fun to fly!” Pylon Party at Hearne Last week at our local test session by the pylon gang in Texas at the Hearne municipal airport, (formerly an Air Force auxiliary field) we had 3 of these planes at the session that was mixed with Q40's, Q500’s and my F5D. Dub Jett and Mike Helsel always have radar setup during these sessions because they do a lot of Q40 testing. We actually had a race between George Parks, Mike Helsel and me that was a blast. Unfortunately Mike and I had a mid air after takeoff and his plane hit hard on the concrete runway with amazingly little damage. (I guess we should have staggered the takeoff, but there was too much daring going on.) My Little Toni had its vacuum formed turtle deck knocked off, but kept flying until the end of the race against George. I simply re-taped the turtle deck back on. The Future NMPRA is working with Horizon and the first airplane an LR1A is slated to be released as an ARF sometime in early Q2-2010. Pete Bergstrum from Horizon has already been test flying the production prototype. I believe the target price is around $140. And feel free to build your own. Bear in mind that the rules are only a first cut, but fairly firmed up and there has not been any official races yet. All of us would like to see an Electric F1 event happen in 2010. If you have any submissions for new designs that you would like to submit for NMPRA class approval, you can contact Jerry Small at: jerry@jerrysmallcreations.com as he is serving as the class airplane design approval committee. And as usual, I expect there will be a lot of discussion about Electric Formula One in the forums here on Ezone. The Rules These rules are posted on the NMPRA.ORG site by the Scott McAfee, the NMPRA President. They are posted in the “NMPRA Discussion” forums at: http://www.nmpra.org/ . 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22 maart 2010, 21:29	#36 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Miss Outrageous. Het is een kit. Ik hoop ze vliegend te hebben op 25 April in Wijchen. Dit is de Carbon slipper uitvoering Horizon komt een dezer dagen met de Pogo LR1A hij stond al in Neurenberg __________________ 1....2.....ready.... Laatst gewijzigd door robbert; 22 maart 2010 om 21:48

22 maart 2010, 22:39	#37 (permalink)
laurens Lid sinds: 16 februari 2003 Locatie: Oegstgeest/ EHGR Leeftijd: 24 Berichten: 5.811	Dat is een nemesis neem ik aan? __________________ Sponsored by 4RC, Edge rotorblades and Scorpion systems helikopter.modelvliegsport.nl

22 maart 2010, 23:09	#38 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Nee dat is een andere. Google maar op de naam met F1 __________________ 1....2.....ready....

30 november 2009, 09:42	#31 (permalink)
mrblobby Lid sinds: 1 november 2006 Locatie: De Efteling Leeftijd: 39 Berichten: 509	Erg leuke kistjes! Lijkt me ook best leuk om eens te gaan racen in de lucht. Mag ik deze klasse dan vergelijken met de stock klassen bij elektro modelauto's? Die klassen zijn bedoeld voor de beginnende racer waarbij de nadruk ligt op racen en niet op investeren in het beste spul. Wat daar goed blijkt te werken is het afspreken van een goedgekeurde standaardmotor. Kies 1 motor/prop combinatie uit en spreek een type accu af. (aantal cellen en max C rating en capaciteit) beter nog, kies ook een standaard accu. Daarmee beperk je de investering en voorkom je ook dat mensen een andere setup in hun kist gaan leggen als die van de buurman nét iets harder gaat dan die van jou. Ieder seizoen kun je opnieuw bekijken of de setup nog actueel is, dus goed verkrijgbaar en deze evt aanpassen. Max eens per jaar (of eens per 2-3jaar) een andere motor mag geen probleem zijn als deze een paar tientjes kost.

1 december 2009, 22:37	#32 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Thread Slideshow

22 maart 2010, 20:07	#35 (permalink)
mrblobby Lid sinds: 1 november 2006 Locatie: De Efteling Leeftijd: 39 Berichten: 509	Ik ben benieuwd, welke kits zijn er besteld? Zijn het echte bouwkits of ARF's?

23 maart 2010, 10:19	#39 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Horizon Hobby Pogo bij Horizon __________________ 1....2.....ready....

24 maart 2010, 15:43	#40 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	25 Maart ,morgen dus, komen de pogo's bij Horizon op de site. 25 April de eerste demo's in Wijchen. __________________ 1....2.....ready....

24 maart 2010, 18:00	#41 (permalink)
wubbo Lid sinds: 4 september 2006 Locatie: Voorhout Leeftijd: 55 Berichten: 912	Demo's (meervoud) wie nog meer dan? 'k ben wel benieuwd ziet er heel mooi uit. gr Wubbo __________________ Zie www.F3D.nl voor alles over Pylonracen, E2K Quickie, Club20, F3D en meer..... There is no substitute for RPM.

24 maart 2010, 19:17	#42 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	HORIZON E-Flite LR1A Pogo ARF 15 1,24m \| Elektro-Motorflugzeuge \| Elektro-Motorflugzeuge \| Flugmodelle \| Modelle \| Staufenbiel __________________ 1....2.....ready....

25 maart 2010, 10:32	#43 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Horizon Hobby: LR-1A Pogo ARF 15e by E-flite (EFL4200) __________________ 1....2.....ready....

26 maart 2010, 12:06	#45 (permalink)
robbert Lid sinds: 10 april 2009 Berichten: 152	Ik heb er twee besteld in de USA bij Jerry Small uit een kleine prototype serie. De Pogo's van Horizon die staan nu op de site en zijn bestelbaar. Ook daarvan heb ik er een aantal besteld. Robbert __________________ 1....2.....ready....

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